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Much like it is with Daves trust in the ability of searchers to conduct proper searches, Dave also doesnt question the ability of canines to find scent. Overall, the cases that he selected seem to correctly rule out normal cases based on details like there not being low-enough temperatures at all, people getting undressed too quickly after disappearing (before the cold could have set in), or people traveling absurdly long distances after they removed some articles of their clothing, especially if that included shoes or boots in rough terrain. On the other hand, cities dont appear to be safe either, so Look, squirrel! Missing 411- The Devil's in the Detail, 2014 The exotic options would all be variations on the person entering some sort of portal or spacetime warp or legitimately teleporting. There is a chance that at least some perpetrators would slip up and instead of the most opportune times and dates go for a compromise between opportune times and times convenient for them. Taken together, it is safe to assume that the men in question have something going on with their appearance, like advanced camouflage or perception-altering ability. Making the target unconscious or suggestible immediately and wiping their memory after the fact would be desirable tactics for any type of predator, if they can pull it off. Moreover, again ironically, there are many other both genetically and culturally much older groups. Errors can be corrected. Given that the smallest useful sample is about 100 people, it would have to be for a whole U.S. state at least, or for all national parks in a country, since the largest cluster in the Yosemite is currently in the 50s, I believe. All of which are attributes that should be connected with strange disappearances, if you think about it. Furthermore, introducing it in the first place or doing things like turning it inside out could screw with pattern recognition AI that was designed to target us looking a particular way. Without that, we simply dont know if any of it is significant. For starters, it keeps changing, on a whim, basically, so you have to constantly keep guessing how it works. That would explain why its so hard to identify or catch them. Speaking of bizarre and inexplicable, these books and documentaries describe a growing number of cases (now in the low thousands) of people going missing or being found under strange circumstances. The German language also isnt particularly unique, as it exists on a continuum with a number of other European languages that are all similar. Like to teleport. If a criminal group with the same unusual means and methods of abducting people in a forest setting is taking advantage of bad weather to kidnap and do god knows what with people in the same unusual ways, then the bad weather compromising searches should correlate more often with cases that contain other unusual elements to them than with normal cases of people going missing in a forest. Hes not putting forward his theories in the books, only data. It would be easier to do in a city setting, where there are at least roads all over the place, but in that case, I would expect someone at some point seeing some of the kidnappings. Before I get into the things that connect all the cases, like profile points, geographic clusters, and the possible logics behind victim or perpetrator behaviors, I feel I should first address all the ad hominem attacks leveled at Dave (he keeps calling himself Dave from the point of view of third persons, and Im a third person, so why not). Which is of course reasonable in principle, especially with animals, except for the fact that it is unclear how you would do that remotely and without a trace with a human, especially a healthy adult. The main analytical problem with using this as a profile point is that while it is a good place to start, the fact that the person wasnt found is a better indicator of which variables prevent people from being found, more than it is an indicator of why or how they got lost in the first place. This implies that the way in which these people disappear involves their rapid incapacitation, or at least severe confusion. This dense forest is where three Roman Legions were massacred by Germanic tribes in 9 A.D. If there is evidence that something weird was going on with the dog, thats the part that should be focused on, in my opinion presence of inexplicable evidence is always more interesting than a correlation alone. In the case Elisa Lams death, around the time of her death, NIH was using a test called LAM-ELISA in the area to deal with a tuberculosis outbreak. I mean, beyond the obvious connection to large bodies of water and boulder and rock formations. Especially if the body wasnt even found by dedicated searchers, but by random hikers or passersby after the search was over. The reason why foul play was suspected in this case was that there were burn marks found on the body, which has happened in at least one Missing 411 urban case that Im aware of. Not many things need to be the same for all or most unexplained cases, and they will be objective facts. As the investigations expanded to include National Forests, David Paulides and his team began to find cases of missing hunters that fit their profile points. While our current medical science is far from perfect, the real number of truly unknown causes of death appears to be quite low, somewhere in the range of 1.34 per 100,000 (in the U.K.) and 15 per 100,000 (in the U.S.). This one is of course extremely tragic, but that only gives you literally all of the reasons why everyone should study this. How odd is enough? Which brings me to a statistical issue that I think Dave got wrong. Paulides also keeps mentioning that he doesnt question the thoroughness of the searches or the dedication and skill of the searchers, or effectiveness of canines or helicopters with FLIR. And even in the absence of that, the Czech Republic is crisscrossed with a network of marked tourist trails, with marks dotting trees and rocks along almost all trails that exist in our forests. Its quite possible that the population of people who visit national parks differs significantly from the whole population of the given states or countries under normal circumstances. When I say strange, what I mean is that, for starters, all of the usual suspects have been ruled out, like animal predation, human crime, voluntary disappearance, drowning, etc. If that could be scaled up or turned into a realiable technology, then who knows, maybe it could be possible to cause coincidences, or they could be a side effect of some type of probability-based technology being used. For example, in a random sample of a thousand normal missing persons cases, how often do people go missing with a dog, in contrast to how often that happens in a sample of a thousand Missing 411 cases? Conversely, a person out to dispose of a corpse in water clearly would take that care. So, if theres any genetic program that deals with people who have German origins, it would have to be relatively recent and more likely to be motivated by something like Nazi mysticism, rather than any real scientific reasons. After all, thats how a sudden health crisis or mental break would start. Well, apart from the stories of people who got lost suddenly in familiar territory, but only temporarily and with full memory of the event, which means that they didnt qualify as Missing 411 cases. On the other hand, there are some data points that indicate that theres something unusual going on during the disappearances with the dogs. Given that some cases indicate third-party involvement (like the inside-out clothing, children unable to undress themselves, or clean socks while traveling miles), the latter option, however unlikely and disconcerting, must be considered. In case youve never heard of this series of books written by an American ex-detective David Paulides, I believe theres eight of them at the moment, plus two documentary movies. The most common report from adults, adult women specifically, is that of being stalked by weird or strange men. The fact that they were never identified or caught is also the first indication of their organization. The stasis option might sound the most sci-fi, but there are multiple Missing 411 cases in which the body was found in a surprisingly pristine condition for how long it was supposedly dead. In any case, since many of the missing in cities were students, maybe they were targeted at school. Even if the perpetrators arent exactly advanced, protected primeval forests are the most logical place where to look for any surviving intelligent forest-dwelling creatures. Starring David Paulides, Cuz Strickland, Bruce Maccabee. So, I would expect more people to get lost while wearing colorful clothing rather than natural shades or camo. Does any of that mean that you should dismiss the evidence that hes bringing forward? With Daniela Salmen, John Miles, Adam Palmer, Gail Star. should be considered irrelevant in the absence of additional inexplicable positive evidence. Theres bound to be a normal percentage of cases in which the trackers simply fail to locate evidence that is present in the area. A home for weird ideas, future visions, and mad ramblings. Its not crazy talk, its a genius speculation of one of the sci-fi greats. A lot of the draw of Missing 411 is the mysterious nature of not only people vanishing, but something extraordinary at play. In contrast, hallucinations should be much more common. But I myself am very interested in what could be called the science of coincidence, so lets talk about what coincidences may mean for a bit. If there is someone out there with some kind of tech doing this, the tech clearly should involve remote brain or full-body scan capability (to ascertain hidden health issues or intelligence), perception altering, and memory editing. Anything to do with poop may be inherently silly, but as recent advances in medical science show, gut microbiome is essential for our physical health and it interacts with our brain, affecting our mood. For the profile point, it means that more weight should be given to cases where the disappearance after separation was abrupt, but also that the feeling unwell or the wildly running into a forest-type separations should be looked at separately. If an area has been searched dozens of times, chances are the search was sufficient. Which sometimes happens in the Missing 411 cases, without any good reason. Overall, the whole dog connection is interesting, but not useful without other evidence. The question is not so much whether someone can have or be using such technology, since the recent sonic attacks at U.S. embassies across the world prove that the capability exists. scientists or drones, in order to hide from humanity, youd need a place where you can hide. The question is, why would a sophisticated perpetrator remove (and sometimes return) clothing, and not understand how it works? The ideal places to build bases would be at the bottom of the ocean or under beautiful sacred mountains, given that the former is still much less explored than the surface of the Moon and Mars, and that the latter is about the last place where humans would start a large-scale, invasive digging operation. This would require for the dumping of the body to be virtually instantaneous (think teleportation), perfect optical stealth, Men in Black-like memory or perception control, etc. Ideally the kind of evidence that proves that the dogs should have been able to pick up the scent, but didnt, like in the cases when a dead body was later found in an area after it was combed through with standard search dogs or cadaver dogs. If it keeps happening again and again, what youve got is a systemic anomaly, an anomaly on which you will keep getting more data, an anomaly that you can try to predict. Or that there was stasis involved. The lack of visible damage to the bodies would in this context indicate either that the exam or procedure was neurological in nature (like an MRI scan), interrogative (interviewing the subject), or otherwise non-invasive (like a DNA swab). It only has to be cross-checked carefully with cases where paradoxical undressing could have realistically taken place. This profile point doesnt sound necessarily unusual to me, since in any scenario, it has to be much more likely that a missing persons case will remain unexplained when the person disappeared while being alone and out of sight, while any intelligent perpetrator would wait for that moment. All 185 cases fit a narrowly defined profile that was refined after researching thousands of missing person reports; these cases are the most difficult, defy common sense, challenge conventional wisdom and remain . If you could use portals to get in and out of them, that would help a lot, but all the technology you need is a camouflaged door. However, statistically speaking, the remaining cases of storms which didnt ultimately cause the search to fail or during which the missing person ended up doing impossible things will still only be interesting as profile points if they keep being too frequent in comparison to how often storms follow non-mysterious cases of people going missing, or if they at least are individually unexpected instances of bad weather. But still, even assuming that theyre intentional omissions and not just Dave not knowing a fact or Dave keeping a fact to himself in the interest of the family of the victim, its very human. The available data that connects the water-related cases together (mainly the ones of students being found dead in water in some college cities) makes them somehow more inexplicable than the cases of people who got lost in a forest and were never found (cases in which all data is missing). Hunters have been disappearing from North American wildlands for hundreds of years, many without leaving a trace. Interestingly, and horrifyingly, the screams and howls recorded in the case of Henry McCabe, who was found dead without any apparent cause, do resemble the noises made by people who are tazed. If you are some sort of wildman creature, you may want to do something primal, like hunt someone to eat them, kidnap someone as a mate or a kid to raise as part of your tribe, get rid of a witness, or attack someone for fun or because they did something to offend you. Like the Missing 411 cases. It has many of the Missing 411 hallmarks Adamski disappeared while on a walk and was last seen in the afternoon, only to turn up five days later, dead, on top of a coal pile located in a town twenty miles away. Daves criteria for the sample selection seem completely reasonable to me a case being unexplained is an objective fact. Mostly, they just managed to say something like oh my gosh, or my phone is about to go dead, or gave out unsettling noises. While static city cameras could be known about and avoided, there dont seem to be any related deaths of potential witnesses, who statistically speaking must keep bumping randomly into these people entering the water. Any government can do that already. This is a tough one because on one hand, I would like to believe Dave that trackers are by and large good enough to always find things like signs of struggle, but on the other hand, no one is perfect. Though there are Missing 411 cases where that didnt help, like when a person was seen chasing a dog into the forest, which only helps explain how people can get lost more often while walking a dog. The. Maybe its not used on or as effective for children, either because it would certainly kill them, or because their brains arent fully developed yet. This is also one of the profile points that may simply cause people not to be found, at all or in time to save the person, reversing the causality. For example, the cases in which the missing died of major head trauma, of what was described as a possible propeller strike, even through a helmet or when there was no height to fall from hard enough. This invokes a motivation or mentality that either has something to do with genetics or culture, or a specific grudge. These coincidences may of course ultimately mean nothing, or they can have nothing to do with what caused the disappearance or death even if they by themselves are more than just a fluke of random chance. I could also go on and on, but I think this is more than enough for now. When Paulides runs into a Pavlides when on one of these cases, a thing that has never happened to him before or since and which doesnt have to happen over an entire lifetime at all, that counts as a bit odd. Id wager that afternoon is the time during which forests see the highest levels of traffic. But even then, dogs can simply fail in some cases, meaning that this profile point alone is never truly a conclusive proof of something unusual going on with the case. Which are great, so please, Dave, do more of that. There are also plenty of weird, and weirdly specific, clothing-related instructions in the fairy lore, like that in order to ward them off, you should turn your clothing inside out. Then again, the alternatives dont exactly seem to be comforting, as they range up to Lovecraftian. And oh my, is there a lot of anomalous data in the world that serious scientists tend to ignore or refuse to engage with. Missing 411- David Paulides Presents Cases from Minnesota (Stateley), Yosemite and Alaska (Perkowski) Canam Missing Project. Ask Sherlock Holmes. You can watch both productions here on Amazon. At most, they managed to say that someone is following them, but not exactly who or where they are, or if they described a specific location, they were already gone within moments (if the location they gave was accurate in the first place). 2019. Sure, it would be somewhat difficult to hide the act of construction, but again, even your standard government can pull that off. Thats roughly a bit odd to the fourth power. Missing 411: The Hunted. If youre convinced that it cant be any of the exotic explanations, then what is any possible explanation? Dave also mentions legends from Hawaii and Indonesia which explain that you should not wear bright clothing if you dont want to offend some kind of spirits, or that some spirits demand that you lie naked face down in their presence, which is how Missing 411 people often are found. Similarly, I would also like to see a chart of Missing 411 cases by date of disappearance, or ideally both date and time, so that theres more to compare again with normal disappearances, and in the case of dates, also with tourist and hunting seasons, like any numbers of how many tourists or hunters can be found in the forest at what time of year. Which leaves being jumped by someone or something as the most likely explanation. Missing 411: The Hunted, movie reviews . Its basically just as magic as teleportation. Once you come across one, you know that following it will get you back to civilization within at most a day. In case you were wondering what Ive been doing for the last couple of months instead of writing articles here, I guess you could call it research. I think the issue is that Dave by default rules out cases in which they would have made an error. 4.43. Again without anyone seeing the body get in. The evidence for Dave not cherry-picking is that he himself has no idea why most of the profile points are what they are, what they mean. The clearest one is the account of being taken into a cave with robots and then asked to poop on a foil, but a similar conclusion can be drawn from less obvious accounts, like the one about there being continuous sunlight for several days. Granted, Elisa Lam is a rare name, so its a case of a rare name of a test that is the same as a human name, which was the same as a rare name of a person who died unusually, while the test was being used at the time and place where they died. Support me on Patreon: http://patreon.com/nartimar. Without that, theres no point in speculating any further. The only thing you need to make sure of is that the sample of your observations is representative. Heck, theres even a consensus in the cryptid community, as far as I can tell, that while bigfoot-type cryptids find themselves ethically speaking on the same range as humans (including benevolence), dogmen and skinwalkers are almost always strictly malevolent, or at least much more aggressive and dangerous. While phenomena of this type are not strictly speaking ruled out by theoretical physicists, they would at the very least expect them to be substantially more rare, if they were to occur strictly naturally. Apart from this (the fact that a personal attack is a logical fallacy, not a counterargument), if Dave incorrectly interprets some data point or a causal relation, its an error, not a crime. And thats just the first step. However, if your bet is that something smarter than humans (or humans smarter than you expect possible) may be involved, maybe its not such a crazy bet. The only conventional explanation for reliable amnesia is when it is induced by some sort of chemical. As a person from the Czech Republic, where picking mushrooms is a national pastime more so than in most other countries, this is puzzling to me. The cases of inside-out clothing in particular remind me of one potential UFO abduction case of Zigmund Adamski, which happened on the 6th of June 1980 in the U.K. This is the fourth book in the blockbuster "Missing 411" series that describes unusual incidents of people that have disappeared in National Parks and forests of the world. Missing 411-Eastern U.S. 2012. There are multiple instances of Starfleet observing pre-warp civilizations (which it is not allowed to interfere with due to the Prime Directive) from a secret base cloaked as part of a mountain. We cant, not really, which is why this trick would be used by higher intelligences. With all the insults out of the way, lets look at the profile points. Dave also likes to cite one case in which the police officers noticed that the subject who lost his shoes had clean socks, after apparently traveling on his own for several miles through a muddy area. There is a chance that the person will not want to admit a bout of irrational behavior, but they should not have amnesia, unless a blow to the head, extreme psychological trauma, or very specific chemicals were involved. Here are the most significant repeating profile points with my critical commentary as to their potential strengths and shortcomings: According to Paulides, every person should be found, especially if they are a small child or if theyre mentally or physically disabled and therefore presumably unable to travel long distances. If I think about how likely it is that this profile point signifies something unusual, the inside-out clothing is very hard to explain away, but the brightly colored clothing may have a mundane explanation. At the very least, it would require a vast, perfect conspiracy, and thats never a good go-to explanation. In the documentary Missing 411 The Hunted, about Hunters who vanish he mentions how the FBI may show up to document the cases but as they don't investigate missing persons cases they are doing something in which they won't reveal. Or there at least isnt enough evidence for any of these. Meanwhile, after Dennis went missing, the Key family, looking for bears some distance away, saw a dark man-type figure carrying something on its shoulder, a key piece of the puzzle. Here I have to give credit to Seriah Azkath and the Snake Brothers, who pointed out the likely direction of causality regarding this profile point on a recent Where Did the Road Go show. Assuming that Bigfoot doesnt exist, this is still a completely reasonable activity. Something that could be invisible and undetectable without very specific instruments, but nevertheless entirely normal and real. If you think that this whole scenario is crazy, then you havent watched enough Star Trek. The hard evidence found here indicates that many of these people must have died on land days after they disappeared, but days before they entered water, or that they must have died in a tumbling stream, when they were found in a pond with no flowing water, etc. As for the specific weird scenarios that were reported, assuming the reports were accurate, they seem to be consistent with there being an organized perpetrator. Like his idea of a probability-based engine many macroscopic physical laws are only aggregates of chaotic movements and interactions going on at the subatomic level. This is one of the profile points that may have a completely mundane explanation, which could be proven. Which brings me to some practical reasons why you would undress a person that you have kidnapped. How do you keep getting bodies into water without it being seen, ever? Which is scientifically speaking the most basic method through which to do stasis, especially if you dont care about the subject dying. Which is an issue that we have already encountered with self-driving cars. 1 hr 37 mins. This would also explain why it happens in only some cities you cant simply improvise it anywhere without having the infrastructure. Perhaps the only type of thing that Dave tends to do thats somewhat less than ideal is that in his descriptions of the cases, he sometimes omits facts that point toward more mundane explanations. Documentary 2019 1 hr 37 min. Director Michael DeGrazier Writers Michael DeGrazier David Paulides Stars David Paulides Beverly Messick Rob Messick This is a fairly strong profile point, given that there is no good explanation, conventional or otherwise, for why or how any of this should happen at all. In this analysis, I will not be going in depth on any of the individual cases, since that is covered quite well by many different videos on this subject that you can find on YouTube, including many hours of interviews with David Paulides on various paranormal podcasts. All 185 cases fit a narrowly defined profile that was refined after researching thousands of missing person reports; these cases are the most difficult, defy common sense, challenge conventional wisdom and remain . Getting lost in a forest certainly can be a traumatic event, but exhaustion, dehydration, or hypothermia could account for hallucinations, skewed perception, or irrational behavior, but again, not so much for amnesia. Hunters have disappeared from wildlands without a trace for hundreds of years. I guess I should look into places in the Czech Republic with our version of this, involving the word ert in the name. Missing 411: The Hunted is based on the book by Paulides, which documents 185 cases of missing peoples from four different countries. Maybe if in all of the cases, the phone lost charge too quickly, it would be less strange, but thats only the case sometimes. Thats probably why it correlates so much with cases that remain unexplained. I certainly wouldnt be surprised if these were more common for Missing 411 cases than in the general population or among normal park visitors, though it would be interesting to see exactly how much more or less common they are for normal disappearances in the same areas. Think of reading a missing persons newspaper section with key adjectives sprinkled in. These are all angles that can and should be investigated, since precise targeting, luring, and covert disappearing of people arent trivial tasks. In the last act, a twist no one saw . What I will try to do is use my social science education and research methodology expertise to try to bring some clarity into how all of the variables in these cases seem to be connected. Making an error on the part of Missing 411 perpetrators means that people wont go missing, that there will be evidence that will be interpreted as human crime (because what else would be a serious suspicion of the police in any scenario), or the person will see and report things that will make him or her sound mentally ill, and perhaps even diagnosed. In at least some cases, a wrong search area could have been set up or the search effort could have been otherwise insufficient (or plain unlucky). Somebody called the profiling that Daves doing cherry-picking, and Dave said that yeah, thats exactly what hes doing. Finally, if you think about it, its important to understand that human clothing can be confusing to a highly intelligent, highly scientifically advanced species who has studied us for ages. Similarly, some traits like high intelligence, excellent physical condition, or relevant expertise and preparation are inherently suspicious, even if they happen in statistically insignificant numbers. James McGrogan - Missing 411. Open for submissions from anyone with something to say about where were headed or the nature of time or history. A good enough guess should allow you to try to force and maximize the coincidence by removing all normal ways of the expected manipulation happening naturally. To me, if you get past the "oh-my-gosh-it's-horrible-what's-happening" surface feelings, folks might . Among these (for this case) are canine units are unable to track, a sudden weather event, disability or illness, time of disappearance, and near water. While you could come across a person randomly in the forest, it is much harder to be able to single people out, avoid being killed by our weapons (or leaving the dead to be found by us), and cover ones tracks.