When the lights were out and we were on the verge of sleep, our camp counselor took advantage of the moment and endeavored to imprint his teachings upon the minds of his captive audience. It also adds insight that, when blended with other essential doctrines, offers a more complete understanding of the plan of salvation. There was a movement a few years ago to have people deny the holy spirit on Youtube, where many a youtuber claimed they would now go to Outer Darkness. Banishment from all progress. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation ). He called the Pharisees and scribes vipers and questioned, How can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. It clarifies how using an obscure quote does not define LDS doctrines or dogmas. And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. Thank you! Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 195456), 31.; Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, 1 June 1980, BYU Marriot Center.). To qualify, a person would not only have to leave the Mormon church but also vehemently speak against it. He is damned by mortification and is his own condemner and tormenter. It doesnt matter because I never joined. That night not one boy was interested in going to hell! ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. Thus, by the definition given by the leaders cited above, these people cannot be considered sons of perdition. Today, interpretation of these "outer darkness" verses are a subset of Protestant discussion on hell and annihilationism. They have wilfully (sic) made themselves servants of Satan and servants to him shall they remain forever. Any person who inherits one of the . If he were ignorant, he could not have become perdition. Utterly turn against god. 10:28). Latter-day Saints understand hell to be a literal place and/or stateeither the temporary hell in the spirit world where the unjust suffer in a state of torment until they are resurrected to a telestial glory (D&C 76:8185, 98112), or the permanent hell where the wicked (the sons of perdition) continue to suffer eternally after the resurrection (D&C 76:37, 4548). To the Church in Smyrna the Apostle John wrote: He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (Rev. Add an RSC shortcut to this device's Homescreen, In the menu, scroll past any icons and tap. While many Latter-day Saints bristle at the doctrine of hell (i.e., How could a loving God send His children to such a place?), they may have not considered the fact that these spirits were never given the chance to have a physical body because of the wrong choice they made in the preexistence. Unfortunately, Apple's iOS doesn't support home screen shortcuts in the Chrome browser. (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220-221). In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Even the regular Wikipedia seems confused: Sons of Perdition are: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. This is what was taught by several important church leaders, including founder Joseph Smith. 9:4. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. But as with anything, that doesnt stop prophets from talking about it like they knew. These are they who do two very specific things. lucifer. A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. The Book of Mormon provides another testament of the reality of a designated place called hell, where the wicked are consigned. This page was last edited on 17 September 2010, at 20:26. The second death is spiritual and is separation from God. In the rest of the article, were going to have to assume that Mormonism is true (of course, I dont think it is!) In Mormonism, it depends. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. Banishment into outer darkness. Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. 8:1112). hell.. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition ( Doctrines of Salvation 2:220 ). See Michael Hicks, Joseph Smith, W.W. Phelps, and the Poetic Paraphrase of The Vision, Journal of Mormon History 20 (Fall 1994) 2: 63-84 for discussion of authorship of this poem.). 4:32; 3 Ne. Who of the following is NOT eligible for Outer Darkness. But suppose, deep down, I do believe the church is true. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism). So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. Your email address will not be published. [3]. I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. Over the 30 years in Christian ministry, I have met many former Mormons who once believed in Mormonism, but none has ever confessed that they still believe Mormonism to be true. And now I say unto you, that mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a never-ending torment (Mosiah 2:3839). 13:42), the fire that never shall be quenched (Mark 9:45), where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:48), and cast into the fire (Luke 3:9). Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). Okay, so Cain, we have one guaranteed person according to no citation whatsoever. The LDS version of the King James Bible and the Book of Mormon help us to understand that the word black is actually a Hebrew idiom, meaning gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness, and has nothing to do with skin tone. Conclusion (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). Possibly but there is no citation there either. King Benjamin and Alma also use the word as to preface their reference to a lake of fire and brimstone (see Mosiah 3:27; Alma 12:17). 16:811)meaning to be left with those who would partake of that permanent hell reserved only for those who, as Jacob stated, are filthy still.. So only a prophet can put the matter to rest well, thats nice that Brigham said there were no women, Joseph F. said there were no women, but Wilford Woodruff said there was no debate and there must be women. 14:1819). That Satan rebelled against Christ and God the Father and was cast out with all of Satans followers and will not receive a body. Outer Darkness. Those mortals who did join the LDS Church in this lifetime must fit the following criteria to be classified as a son of perdition, with a destiny to outer darkness. there are two answers, one is being cast out of the presence of God which would be a form of darkness and the other is complete darkness without even the spirit of God in a spiritual realm as far as the light has an end, if thats possible. Jesus warned that those who mocked their brothers by saying Thou fool were in danger of hell fire (Matt. The first death is physical death, and everyone but the devil and his angels will overcome physical death through Resurrection. 11:3940; 18:13), pains of hell (Jacob 3:1112; Alma 14:6; 26:13; 36:13), chains of hell (Alma 5:7, 910; 12:11; 13:30; 26:14), child of hell (Alma 11:23; 54:11), powers of hell (Alma 48:17), everlasting hell (Hel. First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. To add an RSC website shortcut to your home screen, open the website in the Safari browser. In Jesus parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Jesus contrasted the afterlife state of the lowly Lazarus with that of the self-absorbed rich man. J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. Even the most evil of people, including Adolph Hitler and those of his ilk, appear to have a place reserved for them in nothing less than the telestial kingdom. Mormons believe that a majority of people on this Earth will go to one of these three heavens. (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.). Here, like John and Samuel, Alma equated the second death with the lake of fire and brimstone. In Mormonism, it depends. So we can clearly state no women are Sons of Perdition in outer darkness. Cannot be saved at the last day; except W.W. Phelps who was classified as such by Joseph and then redeemed, and we should only trust prophets on the matter because they dont conflict, unless they do. 11:23). You quoted a website (Wikipedia) which is not doctrine and another website (FAIRMormon) which directly says it is not doctrine. Salvation is release from the guilt and power of sin through God's gift of grace. The word hell is mentioned twenty-three times in the New Testament: fifteen times in the Gospels, twice in the book of Acts, once each in James and 2 Peter, and four times in the book of Revelation. . Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church. Johns references to the second death testify of its existence but do not offer any explanatory information that instructs those readers who do not already understand the doctrine. What is it? Polygamy with tons more men than women sounds ill-thought out. To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming . This isnt something like going out and breaking their rule of no drinking. So, if you are directly listing to Satan, like Cain, and actively turning away from God, like Cain, then you can become a Son of Perdition. Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. 13:40), cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 20:14), or the outer darkness (Matt. Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. Their theology was turned upside down! According to tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith. And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. One of the messages of the Book of Mormon is that people sometimes lose the desire to repent. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition. They knew better but still chose wrong, one told me. This is a Son of perdition. ). 9:710, 19, 26). 21:8; see also 19:20). Bold and italics in original). The wicked, or in this particular context, the sons of perdition who are filthy still after judgment and resurrection, are assigned to everlasting punishment (see 2 Ne. Meanwhile, sixth President Joseph F. Smith, also taught that a full knowledge of the truth is necessary, adding that not even Judas Iscariotthe betrayer of Jesuswill be destined for Outer Darkness: It is probable that only personages who have acquired similar full knowledge, who willfully and deliberately deny the truth, when they know it to be the truth, can commit the unpardonable sin and become sons of perdition. They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. Mormons believe that there Prophets are fallible and in no way perfect. This is full on rejection of God. The terms spiritual death or second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness are all synonymous with hell, and all are descriptive of both the temporary and the permanent hell. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. They did what they did with their eyes open, and were in rebellion against God. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Why Practically NobodyIncluding You, Former MormonWill Ever End up In Outer Darkness, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). King Benjamin defined the cause of this great torment: Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. For many years, those who have forfeited their membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have been told by other Mormons that they were Sons of Perdition destined for Outer Darkness. After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Nephis commentary to his brothers concerning his fathers dream of the tree of life adds interesting insight into the possible meaning of the great gulf Jesus referred to: And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf, which separated the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. spirit prison. Smith said this will be practically indescribable: The extent of this punishment none will ever know except those who partake of it. . For example, John saw the judgment in vision and wrote that death and hell delivered up the dead . I did cite sources spoken from the pulpit by a prophet. 2:4). Alma the Younger contributed even more insight on the second death when he gave the wicked people of Ammonihah a detailed description of the fate of those who harden their hearts against the word of God: Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned. The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? what about that 1/3 the host of heaven who didnt follow Gods plan Joseph F. Smith was so sure qualify as Sons of Perdition were NONE of them women? He once said that a person. Even the wicked of the earth who never knew the power of God, after they have paid the price of their sinningfor they must suffer the excruciating torment which sins will bringshall at last come forth from the prison house. 9:1012, 1516). Outer Darkness is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the Sons of Perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. and they were judged every man according to their works (Rev. Samuel also confirms the relationship John spoke of between the second death and the wicked being cast into fire, but he adds this explanatory clause: For they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness.. 6:28), hell fire (3 Ne. 2:11). Dennis L. Largey was an associate professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University when this was published. Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. 4. 22:13). Serve Satan. 28:2223). The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars (D&C 76:70 . As a young boy, I attended a two-week Christian camp. He wrote. In the parable of the talents, the returning lord instructed that the wicked and slothful servant who hid his talent in the earth be cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. (1) We believe in trimming our wicks to 1/4 between each burn. In this parable, a king arranged a wedding for his son, but the normal guests did not come; therefore, the king sent his servants to gather guests from off the street. (Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). so we will be able to realistically discuss the likelihood that a person who left the church could ever end up in Outer Darkness. There are three references that connect the judgment with a lake of fire and brimstone, and two references to a lake of fire. However, the use of the word fire in connection with judgment and the torment of the wicked is widespread throughout the Gospels. (2) We believe in allowing our candles to burn for a maximum of four hours at a time. 5. Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). Yet what kind of devious person would it be who knew full well that Mormonism was trueincluding the historicity of theBook of Mormon,the authenticity of the restored churchs leadership that began withJoseph Smith,and the accuracy of theFirst Visioneventand then fight against these truths? Outer Darkness. About 74 B.C. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! Banishment from the joys of heaven. For most, outer darkness, the lake of fire, and the second death have an end, but for the sons of perdition these states continue eternally. GOSH. When I bring this issue up with some Latter-day Saints, I sometimes get defensive arguments. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). Italics in original). Hence, the term outer darkness. Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. kingdoms of glory. Only a handful of "sons of perdition" would go. After inspecting the intruder, the king instructed his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. So why dont we get outer darkness too? 67, LDS Church Archives. Outer Darkness - Social Hall - Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board. In contrast, Book of Mormon references to the second death are embedded in sermons that teach it in context with other essential elements of the plan of salvation. Even if I did, I still am not eligible for outer darkness. Followers 0. Are the devils before the world created sons of perdition? Jacob taught that the lake of fire is not a literal fire but a figurative representation of torment: And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end (2 Ne. In each of the New Testament references to outer darkness, Christ declared the punishment that awaits faithless and wicked people. 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. Twenty-nine times the word hell is used with descriptive modifiers, for example, depths of hell (1 Ne. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. The celestial, terrestrial, and telestial are kingdoms of glory. So a heads up, this does not include you or any one who has ever been or will be born on Earth. For example: everlasting fire (Matt. While Christianity affirms that many people who were created by God will perish in hell, Mormonism also espouses this . And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. King Benjamin also taught that the fiery suffering was a state of misery one encounters when viewing ones sinfulness: They shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil. Just one rebellion. 23:33). 801-422-6975. And, if you havent come into relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, I encourage you to do some homework and meet Him. Banishment from the power of God. Grant Building Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. This is serving Satan. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. 8 - 14 are for safety. Although this is an obvious scare tactic, this accusation is not true according to important LDS leaders. 22:13) that awaits the wicked? But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. The Bible teaches that there is a devil and a hell, but the place of hell in the plan of salvation is taught best by the Book of Mormon. The second possible sons of perdition are mortals. What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? The Plan of Salvation kind of negates the reason for missionary work. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. Because reasons. From its beginnings, it taught that very few people would go to "outer darkness" the Mormon concept of hell. An in depth look at the Mormon doctrine of hell. 185 Heber J. If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195).
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