View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. Would the mod to your boards be tough? Naturally, keep all The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Clear editor. Posted February 9, 2005. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. It will! $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. For two rather Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Free shipping for many products! All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Both companies make speakers lots of people like. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. two way - Jubilee. Upload or insert images from URL. Your previous content has been restored. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. Pasted as rich text. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Pasted as rich text. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Here's the 1953 plans. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. Although I have had Khorns sound good Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Makes this a great hobby. By feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. Condition: Used Used. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. I know of several people who have made than change. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. Your link has been automatically embedded. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Hey! Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Upload or insert images from URL. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. ). There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. I would stick with full fledged horns. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. What do you recommend? Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." It will work ok at 400 Hz. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. So I took the best of both worlds. Pasted as rich text. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. Clear editor. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. You cannot paste images directly. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. No mean feat. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Just a fun debate for me. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Item Information. Just sent an email to my friend. I can't wait to hear this setup! [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. yes It was built here. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. could you say more about your experience with jubs? So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. Schu It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Pasted as rich text. Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Just something different often sounds better at first. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. Price: US $4,000.00. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Be sure to try several listening locations. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Your previous content has been restored. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded The original K55 is still good enough though. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies You can post now and register later. Your link has been automatically embedded. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. dkalsi They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Regulars. Clear editor. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? would love to hear it. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 Upload or insert images from URL. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. It weighs about 220 lb. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. They are HUGE and so is their sound. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". Posted January 20, 2005. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Studio monitor class. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? sweet. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. It's futile. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. 19 thread, []. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b Powered by Invision Community. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. By i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Your link has been automatically embedded. Did he say why (in detail)? You cannot paste images directly. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. The Khorn bass was better. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. You're in denial. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Cant do that with new stuff. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. It would have to be mounted externally. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. $1700 Firm takes all. Display as a link instead, OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Display as a link instead, I have put a lot of Labor Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. LOL.. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. ). Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. For the Belle you can do better. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment By The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. By It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Oops, looks like you forgot something. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. Quote. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. this can result in this site earning a commission. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Affiliate programs and Therefore, of course I agree. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Display as a link instead, http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. Bloody awesome info! The A7 (pictured here) is He was thrilled. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Paste as plain text instead, Not my intent at all. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. This is a win-win situation. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. In any case, you will want to experiment with